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181 - From Activist to Apostate–A Twisty-Turny "Gender Journey," with Tali

My "Normie Wife" Almost Transitioned... Because of Me!

This week, join Stella and Sasha as they welcome Tali to the show. A former radical activist turned disaffected liberal with a gripping story of awareness, evolution, growth and resolve.

Tali is 30 years old and lives with her wife and dogs in Hawaii. She is also a co-host/panelist of the new podcast, The Navel Gays with Aaron Terrell.

Tali shares her journey from an ardent activist deeply immersed in gender and identity politics to someone questioning and ultimately walking away from the dogmatic beliefs she once held. Her story is a roller coaster of conviction, self-discovery, and transformation, particularly as she navigates the complexities of having encouraged her wife towards a trans identity of her own.

“What I want people to understand is I think more often what is happening is an overzealous, activisty type person collides with someone who is sincerely distressed.”

Listeners will gain insight into the mindset of passionate activists, the impact of societal pressures on personal identity, and the challenges of disentangling oneself from groupthink. This episode offers a glimpse into the delicate process of questioning deeply held beliefs and the reflection and critical thought essential for shifting perspectives.

  • Explore the fervor and zeal driving extreme activism in gender and identity issues. 

  • Follow Tali’s journey as she reevaluates her beliefs, leading to profound personal and relational shifts. 

  • Learn how key societal events and ideologies influenced Tali and her wife’s identities. 

  • Discover Tali’s strategic approach to helping her wife break free from the gender identity belief system.

Resources & Links

@tiredtali on X 

The Navel Gays

Rewriting the Soul: Multiple Personality and the Sciences of Memory, by Ian Hacking

Intelligence Squared (also on YouTube)

Honestly: TGIF! The Week That Was With Nellie Bowles and Katie Herzog (check out more from Nellie Bowles, Katie Herzog and others from TGIF! | The Free Press)

Blocked & Reported w/ Katie Herzog & Jesse Singal

Gender: A Wider Lens — Pioneers Series

The Pressure on Lesbians to "Trans"

Extremism in All of Its Forms Is a Pathway to Hell - Jamie Reed (presentation from Genspect’s The Bigger Picture Conference, November 2023, Denver, USA)


We're honored to have had the pleasure of hosting many of the experts lined up to present at Genspect's upcoming Bigger Picture Conference in Lisbon, Portugal. Reserve your tickets today to save your spot for a powerfully engaging event, challenging the evidence base for gender medicine and addressing the widespread damage of gender identity ideology. With a focus on "Reframing the Future," Genspect is dedicated to shifting the conversation from identifying problems to exploring solutions. Presentations, panel discussions, debates, and a live-stream interview ensure that all sides of this complex issue are addressed in a compelling manner. We hope to see you there! (Livestream tickets are also available.)

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If you liked this episode, more episodes you might find interesting include:

Gender: A Wider Lens
Gender: A Wider Lens
In this podcast, now in its fourth year, therapists Stella O'Malley and Sasha Ayad take a deep dive into the psychological and cultural forces impacting the social changes around "gender." Through interviews with researchers, doctors, therapists, parents, detransitioners, and others, Sasha and Stella's podcast is a "must listen" for anyone trying to navigate the current gender landscape. With their sharp analytical minds and deep compassionate hearts, Stella and Sasha have also become known throughout many parent networks as lighthouses in the midst of some very stormy seas. Previous guests include Helen Joyce, Jesse Singal, Leor Sapir, Kathleen Stock, Jamie Reed, Peter Boghossian and more.