Really wish I could join but I am seeing one of the friends I can count on to understand my perspective and support our family. These people who have known my child since before the gender nonsense are precious few and far between!
The arguments Mia has made resonate with me and I also wonder how this applies to my daughter. She is not mentally ill. She's actually highly functioning and thinks we are crazy not to affirm. A young lesbian who seems set against being seen that way, in her case there was no mental health condition prior to her announcement that she's a boy (at 13, now we're at 17), and there's no evidence of a mental health condition currently, at least nothing besides her insistence that we view and treat her as the opposite sex. No depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, physical violence, etc., and no cluster B tendencies beyond the self-centeredness normal for a teenager. She accepts that she's female and yet insists she's a boy. She's not insisting on medicalizing either. We think she has rationally thought herself into this identity. Until the incentives change, I can't see her thinking herself out of it.
Shoot. This sounds SO interesting but I will miss it as I will be visiting the child for whom I am here…🥴.
This is way over my head so can you explain- does RE-psychopathologizing mean the condition of gender dysphoria will be considered a mental illness? If so, then what are the ramifications of that? And especially what are the ramifications when the world is seemingly full of activists in every single aspect of society that are in no way going to pack up and move on? In fact they think they are saving kids, so it would be immoral for them to stop promoting trans rights.
The idea of an extreme over valued belief does resonate with me in general. Trans ideology is absolutely an over valued belief— the “science is settled, #nodebate, trans women are women!”
Hopefully you will be able to write up a summary and post it here? I want to learn about this. Thank you Sasha and Stella for having this discussion!
I, too, hoped to be here for Stella and Sasha's discussion, but I doubt my lunch guests will leave in time! I have the same question as Sweet Caroline: I don't understand what, formally, de-pathologization entails. Is the goal of this campaign to change the DSM?
Be very careful what you wish for. The trans movement and their enablers in the law and the healing professions have spent a fortune in human and financial resources to depathologise transsexualism. Should the day come when there is a consensus that people wishing to change sex (or "gender," whatever that is) are considered mentally ill, the full panoply of laws requiring society to make accommodations across all institutions may forever engrave gender identity ideology in stone.
Can you elaborate on what you see happening here with laws and society making accommodations, etc? This is too complicated for my brain but I am very intrigued.
Really wish I could join but I am seeing one of the friends I can count on to understand my perspective and support our family. These people who have known my child since before the gender nonsense are precious few and far between!
The arguments Mia has made resonate with me and I also wonder how this applies to my daughter. She is not mentally ill. She's actually highly functioning and thinks we are crazy not to affirm. A young lesbian who seems set against being seen that way, in her case there was no mental health condition prior to her announcement that she's a boy (at 13, now we're at 17), and there's no evidence of a mental health condition currently, at least nothing besides her insistence that we view and treat her as the opposite sex. No depression, anxiety, suicidal ideation, physical violence, etc., and no cluster B tendencies beyond the self-centeredness normal for a teenager. She accepts that she's female and yet insists she's a boy. She's not insisting on medicalizing either. We think she has rationally thought herself into this identity. Until the incentives change, I can't see her thinking herself out of it.
Shoot. This sounds SO interesting but I will miss it as I will be visiting the child for whom I am here…🥴.
This is way over my head so can you explain- does RE-psychopathologizing mean the condition of gender dysphoria will be considered a mental illness? If so, then what are the ramifications of that? And especially what are the ramifications when the world is seemingly full of activists in every single aspect of society that are in no way going to pack up and move on? In fact they think they are saving kids, so it would be immoral for them to stop promoting trans rights.
The idea of an extreme over valued belief does resonate with me in general. Trans ideology is absolutely an over valued belief— the “science is settled, #nodebate, trans women are women!”
Hopefully you will be able to write up a summary and post it here? I want to learn about this. Thank you Sasha and Stella for having this discussion!
I, too, hoped to be here for Stella and Sasha's discussion, but I doubt my lunch guests will leave in time! I have the same question as Sweet Caroline: I don't understand what, formally, de-pathologization entails. Is the goal of this campaign to change the DSM?
Be very careful what you wish for. The trans movement and their enablers in the law and the healing professions have spent a fortune in human and financial resources to depathologise transsexualism. Should the day come when there is a consensus that people wishing to change sex (or "gender," whatever that is) are considered mentally ill, the full panoply of laws requiring society to make accommodations across all institutions may forever engrave gender identity ideology in stone.
Can you elaborate on what you see happening here with laws and society making accommodations, etc? This is too complicated for my brain but I am very intrigued.