Gender: A Wider Lens
Gender: A Wider Lens
116 — Identity Politics vs. The Pursuit of Knowledge with Dr. Michael Bailey

116 — Identity Politics vs. The Pursuit of Knowledge with Dr. Michael Bailey


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In this episode, Sasha and Stella welcome guest, Dr. Mike Bailey, who recently published a paper with co-author, Suzanna Diaz about reports of ROGD kids. Their paper is important because it essentially corroborates Dr. Lisa Littman’s study from 2018. During the conversation, Dr. Bailey shares about the possibility that the paper could be retracted due to activist backlash. He also explores the findings of the paper with Sasha and Stella, as well as the complaints brought against it. They even dissect the context of why a paper would even be retracted in the first place.

Michael Bailey is an American psychologist, behavioral geneticist, and professor at Northwestern University best known for his work on the etiology, or origins, of sexual orientation. He maintains that sexual orientation is heavily influenced by biology and male homosexuality is most likely inborn. Dr. Bailey’s 2003 book, The Man Who Would Be Queen, gave an accessible, intimate, and compassionate account of male sexuality, with a focus on gender nonconforming boys, gay men, and male-to-female transsexuals.

The discussion also touches on the controversial topic of autogynephilia, a very heated issue within the gender debates.


How porn has changed: 

Mike’s Tweet

Dr. David Ley

Louise Perry’s Book: 

Review of Louise Perry’s Book:

Download The Man Who Would Be Queen:

Alice Dreger (June 2008). “The controversy surrounding The Man Who Would Be Queen: a case history of the politics of science, identity, and sex in the Internet age”. Archives of Sexual Behavior. 37 (3): 366–421. doi:10.1007/s10508-007-9301-1.

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Extended Notes:

  • The report is based on the parental reports of 1865 young adults who are believed to have ROGD.

  • Parents revealed they felt pressured by gender specialists to transition their children.

  • Dr. Bailey was a proud member of the ISR for approximately 30 years, until resigning this year because of the direction the organization is leaning towards.

  • ISR leadership issued a statement attempting to get the paper retracted and discredit it.

  • The academic publisher, Springer, changed the paper and stated that they would retract the article.

  • Dr. Bailey’s research shows that autogynephilia begins at a young age.

  • Dr. Bailey says Sissy Hypno porn seems to satisfy natal male viewers.

  • Dr. Bailey is open to the idea that pornography can have negative effects.

  • The group discusses porn and the grooming of young men in detail.

  • Dr. Bailey thinks that male sexuality is being demonized.


“Boys are so much less likely to socially transition and yet, ironically, more likely to medicalize.” — Sasha [16:34]

“Shaming tactics are the most powerful and most commonly used by activists for millennia. That's how we kept society in check.” — Stella [38:19]

“Autogynephiles are not at all sexually interested in the male body; they're not homosexual or even bisexual in a fundamental orientation sense. What they are aroused by is the idea of being desired by man and interacting sexually with a man as a woman.” — Dr. Mike Bailey [56:04]

Gender: A Wider Lens
Gender: A Wider Lens
Therapists Stella O’Malley and Sasha Ayad explore diverse perspectives through a psychological lens, fostering open dialogue on gender identity, transition, and the transgender umbrella. Their work with gender dysphoric clients and unique experiences yield an informed outlook delving into gender's psychological nuances. Interviews with clinicians, academics, transgender individuals, parents, detransitioners, and others touched by gender provide varied insights and intimate inquiry into the taboo yet relevant topic.